of course, following that $1.9 billion fine that was given to hsbc. what we do know is that the company is admitting criminal wrongdoing in its japanese arm because, you know, around 30 traders worldwide had manipulated the yen libor between 2005 and 2010. the ceo speaking this morning says, you know, despite the troubles in the japanese arm, he does not believe that there's -- the bank is going to be shutting down the operations in that country entirely. saying that 30 to 40 people have already left the bank. they also gave us a bit more information on what kind of impact this will have on profits. they see a fourth quarter net loss of around 2.5 billion swig franks. a full-year profit of 2.5 to 3 billion. and the most important part, why shares are trading up. they still expect a fourth quarter net new money being positive. and again, i mean, it's puzzling to some. on the other hand, investors are clearly focusing on the rebound story much more than the lobbyer story because, you know, these are things of the past. >> and also it's the "wall street